NCLR Wilderness First Aid Class

[Dbregman]

There has been interest expressed in a Wilderness First Aid class. The club will be subsidizing this, so it will be at a reduced cost to members. Non member can attend at the cost of $90/student

We need to get firm commitments for attendance.

The date would be April 26th and 27th. 8-5 both days. Location to be determined. Here is an outline of the course:

In addition to a half day of outdoor scenario practice of first aid and leadership skills, this class focuses on practicing skills and covering: patient assessment, shock and bleeding, head and spinal injuries, wounds, musculoskeletal injuries, heat and cold illnesses and much more. Gain some good tools and knowledge to handle a wilderness first aid emergency. Successful completion of class includes a Wilderness First Aid certificate.

The class is limited to 24 students - so it will be first come first serve.
Initially this will be limited to 2 registrations per membership. If the class does not fill we will open the registration to all.

Please express interest on this thread.
Use the sign-up link on the NCLRclub Web site located HERE (http://nclrclub.org/index.php?option=com_attend_events&task=view&id=11).

[Dbregman]

Oh by the way - I will be taking one of the slots :)

[astateofmike]

I will take one of the spots also.

[PCRover]

We will have a standard Event Registration on line available later today for sign up's. I assume we making this open to members AND there immediate family members?

[RON CT110]

I'll take a number! :)

This will be covered in my Search and Research training in May! Glad to get a head start.

[Gotrovr]

Count me in as well, 1 seat

[stevenmd]

Tentatively in... need to speak with Suzi first.

[PCRover]

Bummer...Just was reminded of a wedding I have to attend on that Saturday. :( Looks like I am out unless the date changes or I can attend just one day.

[keptin]

I'm in. It's something that I don't know enough about and should.

[rlwjaw]

Hi , my name id Dick Wentworth. I would like to sign up for the class, however I am not a Land Rover owner. I am on this board for the info that is very interesting. If you need more info about me let me know. Also let me know if I can participate in this class.
Thank You
Dick Wentworth

[Disco12]

count me in:)

[Dbregman]

There are still opening in the class - cost is $60 for members and $90 for non-members. I need to commit to the instructor by tomorrow, so if interested please let me know today (Monday 3/24).

Thanks,
David

[Dbregman]

Hi , my name id Dick Wentworth. I would like to sign up for the class, however I am not a Land Rover owner. I am on this board for the info that is very interesting. If you need more info about me let me know. Also let me know if I can participate in this class.
Thank You
Dick Wentworth

Not a problem - I will PM you the info.

[Mudy_Ovl]

David, My wife and I would like to attend, but we have a 7mo. old daughter we would have to bring. Is the course location situated such that my wife or I could step out to deal with our daughter during feedings and fussy times?
Thanks,
Chris

[Dbregman]

We have secured enough people to confirm the class.

The class is being held on April 26th and 27th.

It will be held at:
Fremont Motor Cars
5701 Cushing Parkway
Fremont, California
94538
800-897-7573

It is the most centrally located location and while the space is not perfect it after talking with the instructor, it sould work well.

For those of you who have confirmed, look for an email from me shortly. For those of you who are still interested, we still have space.

[PCRover]

Fees for this class can be paid through the website at this LINK (http://nclrclub.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=117&Itemid=111).

[GriffSC]

a work colleague of mine will be at the class this weekend. his name is dana chaney - good guy. he just today mentioned to me that he would be in attendance.

[Mudy_Ovl]

Who, from the East Bay, is taking the wilderness course? I am leaving out of Dublin and would like to know if anyone wants to caravan to Fremont?

[Desertcrawler]

both me (Chuck) and lilCrawler (Tyler) will be attending. Payment has been made to the NCLR club..

[astateofmike]

Who, from the East Bay, is taking the wilderness course? I am leaving out of Dublin and would like to know if anyone wants to caravan to Fremont?

David and I are going, maybe carpooling.....

[PCRover]

Can you write me a note to get out the wedding I have to go to? :(

[MrVideo]

Can't get out of the wedding I'm attending Saturday...My wife volunteered me to run the audio for the event! :(

Luckily, the audio mixer will be near the bar!!!

[PCRover]

Where is it at? Maybe we will be at the same wedding? Mine is in Rhonert Park.

[MrVideo]

Mine is in Orinda...much closer...just through the tunnel.

[Disco2Guy]

I'll be there this weekend. Anyone coming from SF to the East Bay?

[Mudy_Ovl]

Mike and David,
What time are you guys heading out in the morning? Do you want to meet up at McD's on Santa Rita and caravan in? I will be at McD's by 7:00 and will leave at 7:10. 30 minute drive to Land Rover of Fremont should get me there by 7:45.
See you tomorrow,
Chris D.

[Dbregman]

We are leaving Livermore at 6:45, as I need to be there at 7:30 to help set-up. You are welcome to caravan or carpool if you want. I will PM my cell #.

[Mudy_Ovl]

Sounds good. I'll sit at the Santa Rita on ramp and keep an eye out for you. Are you driving the Silver LR3 tomorrow?

[jhmover]

I have a totally rotten cold, won't be able to go.:mad: I don't want to give it to everyone.

[RON CT110]

This is a must class for us outdoor men and women IMO!

So far Day 1 of 2 provided us with core knowledge for doing first aid in the Wilderness (where emergency medical services will be difficult to obtain or will take a long time to arrive). Including:
- Physical assessments and procedures e.g. Head to Toe Assessments, Vitals, and sampling (getting patient information).
- Learned how to deal with wilderness injuries
- Hands on e.g. splinting broken bones
- Managing severe and minor wounds
- And many other fundamental first aid skills

It's what we all need to know to play safe outside.

A few pics from today!

Pic 1 - Very clear and concise intructions!
Pic 2 - Mike and Chris getting first hand coaching from our instructor Bobbi
Pic 3 - Will, this is for you! Next broken arm - on NCLR to fix now that we know the basics! :)
Pic 4 - Brenton is a pretty good actor pretending to have a broken ankle, or he is not acting and I put the bandage to tight! :D
Pic 5 - Chuck and Tyler aka lil crawler getting coaching from the teacher's assistant Kitty
Pic 6 & 7 - More practise outdoors (well outside the conference room)

More to learn in Day 2.

Remember to be calm; survey the scene; check ABCDEs (Airway, Breathing, Circulation, disability and environment) among others...

[RON CT110]

Chuck (D2) and Ben (D1) going thru the coarse with ease!

[PCRover]

I am bummed I couldn't make it today. :( But at least I know I will be in good hands with so many club members getting the training! :D

Thanks for the pics Ron!

[RON CT110]

Yeah Gary, after attending the class today, I think it will be worth writting a proposal to Mountain Hardwear for funding; worth a try; so perhaps when this becomes a avail, it be avail at no cost to you or NCLR members. Hope to have another one like this!

[PCRover]

Well it wasn't the cost for me, it was the wedding I had to attend. :mad: But I agree it would be worth pursuing funding for another class next year.

[SFDiscoII]

Just returned from Day 2 of the WFA class.

Must say a big thanks to David for setting this up.

Instructor was great, knowledgeable, kept it fun and moving quickly. Really liked all of the scenarios to ensure hands on practice of the skills she demonstrated.

Great turn out from the club, training like this is a must have on the types of trips we attend. We operate too far from the EMS system to be without any training and equipment.

Thanks!

[Dbregman]

A big thanks to all the NCLR members who attended. I think we are much better off with this knowledge. If there is interest we will look to schedule another class in the future.

[keptin]

Reporting in after the trip back and dinner...

I really had a great time and thought we learned some very valuable life-long knowledge. Despite it only being 16 hours worth, I feel that I came out much more prepared than I was going in. I always know you shouldn't move people after they are in an accident/fall/etc., but I had no idea about the severe risks of spinal damage and how to cope with them. There were also a ton of other things that I'd consider very important, such as the info on seizers, hypoglycemia, and anaphylaxis.

The scenarios, though not entirely real in setting, etc., were also very important and it may be wise to go over a couple and teach some basic stuff during a larger NCLR get together so it wouldn't have to be taught during an emergency.

I highly recommend a course like this to everyone, and I'm going to look into taking an 80 hour first responder course if I can find one in my area over summer once school is out.

Can't forget a big thanks to everyone that made this happen! A+

[RON CT110]

Ditto!

David, thanks for sourcing this out!

Gary, knew you were at a wedding; I was just point the potential no cost.

BODs, we need to talk about incorporating what we learned today into NCLR trips/trip leadership.

Day 2 was as informative day 1 with more review of injuries, intense injury role plays, and applying what we learned!

C yah!


Just returned from Day 2 of the WFA class.

Must say a big thanks to David for setting this up.

Instructor was great, knowledgeable, kept it fun and moving quickly. Really liked all of the scenarios to ensure hands on practice of the skills she demonstrated.

Great turn out from the club, training like this is a must have on the types of trips we attend. We operate too far from the EMS system to be without any training and equipment.

Thanks!

v

[Disco2Guy]

it may be wise to go over a couple and teach some basic stuff during a larger NCLR get together so it wouldn't have to be taught during an emergency.

I totally agree. There are some very basic rules everyone should know like staying calm, and scene safety. Or, what kind of basic assistance might be needed by someone who hasn't gone through the training (spine control).

BIG thanks to David and the entire club for getting this worked out!! You guys rock!:)

[astateofmike]

Have to add in that I had a great time and learned a lot....But if Chuck starts asking about Mommy of Daddy again, First aid is to smother him with a backpack and leave....kidding...

Most important thing I learned, and there is so much, is that you have the time to stop, assess, prepare and then act....before even starting with the patient. I always "responded" quick, but there is so much to consider before hand. I got caught up in a scenario, got rushed and tripped (almost another injury) and then bumped the "injured limb".....deep breath and slow down...

Also, and this is so important, Leadership. There is 1. They make the call. Whatever the call, on site, you back it. And come preparred. If you are told all must have first aid kit, or CB or whatever, have it! Each of us had our kit, so when supplies were needed, ANYONE could provide them. And we did scenarios w/o "radio" help.....not having a radio in a parking lot, with a large scene, was even more difficuly. Imagine herding cats on the trail....

Our instructor Bobbie was great, as Chris said, the Bill Burke of first aid, and was/is supportive of each learner. This was her first "off road club" and she remarked that she was impressed with the turnout and our efforts/desire to be better prepared and ready to assist.

I hope that we can get enough people to hold one every year, and in 3 years, I'll be recerting, so it could be come an annual rotation!

I hope never to need it, but I know I am better ready to make sure "No Rover is left behind!"

[Mudy_Ovl]

I'm probably repeating several people, but here goes. Major Kudos to Dave for setting up the WFA class. I feel much more prepared to help an injured person.....after they give consent and I put on my BSI ;-) Although it was only 2 days, the material covered was pretty extensive and perfectly applicable to club events. I highly recommend other members to take this course. Hopefully the club will adopt some protocals that were discussed during the class to help first aiders (is that even a word??) provide proper care to injured members out on the trail. Kudos also to Bobbie who modified the course to fit our club's activities, shared past rescue experiences and kept things rolling along. I Hope I never have to use the knowledge that I gained this weekend, but it never hurts to be prepared.

Chris D.
Mudy_Ovl, '95 DI

[Desertcrawler]

Even lilCrawler enjoyed!

I think the one improvement would be to have a club member familiar with offroad safety spend 15 minutes talking/going through safety issues associated with club runs.... ie proper winching techniques, rock rolling, etc.. and relate specific recovery scenarios.


ie. What would protocol be if a vehicle was rolled onto a member and they were unconscious? How about a hand in a winch? back it out right away or wait?

[astateofmike]

The more specific questions you ask Chuck are really tough ones. I don't think that we as a club, unless we have some certified fire/emt, could even answer those......They would be situational and difficult to assess in the moment with all the variables....

But maybe going over some less intensive items, or locating someone to do a second class for that level of recovery/rescue may be good..

[Dbregman]

Steep and Cheap has (had) the Guide I kits for sale again tonight. This is the blue canvas kit I had at the class. Is is a smoking deal so I bought 6 of them. If anyone is interested I will sell them to you at my cost of $115/ each.

First come - first serve.

Here is the description:
Dimensions:
11 x 8 x 7.5in (28 x 20 x 19cm)
Group Size:
1-12
Trip Duration:
1-14 Days
Medical Information:
1 Complete guide to wilderness & travel medicine, 1 Guide l refill card, 3 patient assessment forms
Bleeding / Burns / Wound Management:
1 8 x 10in trauma pad, 1 5 x 9in trauma pad, 20 4 x 4in non-sterile guaze dressings, 12 3 x 4in sterile non-adherent dressings, 4 3in non-sterile conforming guaze bandages, 4 3 x 4in Spenco 2nd skin dressings, 4 4 x 7in non-woven adhesive bandages, 6 4 x 7 moleskins, 10 adhesive fabric knuckle bandages, 10 1 x 3in adhesive fabric bandages, 2 triangular bandages, 1 4in elastic bandage with Velcro® closure, 1 3in elastic bandage with Velcro® closure, 2 1in x 10yd tape rolls, 8 1/32oz triple antibiotic ointments, 12 After Cuts and Scrapes wipes, 1 2oz tincture of benzoin topical adhesive
CPR / Choking:
1 Laerdal CPR pocket mask in polybag
Fracture / Sprain / Strain:
1 SAM® Splint, 4" x 36"
Infectious Control:
3 Pairs Nitrile gloves, 3 hand wipes
Medication:
10 packages of 2 Ibuprofen (200mg), 10 packages of 2 acetaminophen (500mg), 20 antihistamine (Diphenhydramine 25mg), 10 packages of 2 aspirin (325mg), 5packages of 2 Medicidin-D cold medicines, 7 packages of 2 antacids, 10 packages of 1 diamode (Loperamide HCI 2mg), 7 packages of 2 diotame (Bismuth Subsalicylate), 1 glutose paste (Glucose 15g), 1 2oz povidone iodine, 1 oral rehydration salts, 6 After Bite sting and itch relief wipes, 1 temporary cavity filling mixture, 1 3.7ml oil of clove, 1 1oz zinc oxide, 2 large flip-top plastic vials
Other Items:
1 4in EMT shears, 1 splinter picker / tick remover forceps, 1 digital thermometer (90F to 105F), 4 sterile disposable scalpels with #11 blades, 1 5in Mayo Heger needle holder, stethoscope, 1 20cc, 18 gauge tip irrigation syringe, 3 pencils, 3 safety pins
Weight:
4lb 9oz (2069g)
Recommended Use:
Backpacking, mountaineering, search and rescue, group expeditions, wilderness programs

[astateofmike]

I can't right now, but if they don't all sell and things get squared away, I'll may be in for the leftovers....

[Disco2Guy]

I'm in the same boat as Mike, I'd love to get one of the kits but can't right now as I just bought a set of steelies:D from Joe "Badfysh". Maybe in a few weeks.

[Desertcrawler]

I can always use a new first aid kit..

[Dbregman]

I will put one aside for you then!

[SFDiscoII]

David,

Thanks for doing this:cool:. I will take one if you still have one available.
If we don't see each other before Oregon I can get it then...
Leigh

[Dbregman]

Got one for you.

So far I have one set aside for:
SFDiscoII
DesertCrawler
Disco2Guy
AStateofMike

Any more takers before I offer to my SAR friends?

[Disco2Guy]

I got an email about an hour ago from Bobbie stating that I passed the test. The test and WFA card are in the mail. W00t!!!!

[Mudy_Ovl]

Congrats! I received my passing e-mail too! Looks like we can officially put the WFA '08 sticker on our windows.

[Disco2Guy]

Oh, I see. Now you have to actually PASS to get the sticker:D?

[SFDiscoII]

Yeah! I passed.:D:cool:

[Desertcrawler]

Me too.... but lilKrawler missed by a percentage point or two... time to crack open the book and study again. Good test for him and Mom to take...

[Dbregman]

I passed as well - I have the stickers for everyone, I will figure out a way to get them to you all.

[Desertcrawler]

Do you have a banner pic from the last MEXXI's outing? We have a dead tie for which one use in the brochure, and I'd like to see how that one looks/does in a re-vote...

[astateofmike]

I got my email, I passed, and my sticker is on my car!

[RON CT110]

I passed; sticker please! :D

I started the draft proposal requesting funding for basic Wilderness First Aid training (a must I think) and Wilderness First responder (for those who wants to take it to the next level) from Mountain Hardwear! Will shoot Dgregman a copy for review! C yah!

[MrVideo]

I am so envious :D I really did have to attend my friend's wedding that Saturday. I vote to schedule another class before summer ends.

Just my thoughts

[keptin]

Interesting find that I just came across. I'm not really sure where else to post it, but it may be something to add to a first aid kit.

http://www.z-medica.com/quikclot/